What are your thoughts on the 'key issues that will dominate' such as women bishops and gay clergy?
[Dr Rowan Williams - The Archbishop of Canterbury]
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I have strict anglican parents who constantly say, whenever gay people are on tv, that homosexual people are just confused. Just as confused as anyone who doesn't follow their views no doubt.
When my uncle announced he was gay they accepted it but we never saw him again. We were invited to his civil ceremony and it was decided that we shouldn't have anything to do with them until 'they realise their mistake'. Me and my brother actually wanted to go and had no problem with it.
I can't wait for the time when I tell then my best friend, who's a guy and my parents constantly try to persuade me to go out with because he's clever/charming/good looking, is openly gay and is in his second homosexual relationship.
Now, gay clergy. My personal view is that Jesus would prefer more love in the world than hatred through difference in people, regardless as the whether they are gay or not! If you want to get back the gradually decreasing congregations of the church of england, show that you respect people the way they are. If they come through the doors and sit down to listen maybe they will turn against homosexuality as a choice for themselves, but showing no acknowledgement of 21st century life is not going to do the church any favours. A person is unlikely to go for spiritual advice/worship if they will be looked down upon.
And not allowing women bishops? That's just sexism. End of.
With the declining number of people attending church, let alone wanting to become leaders of it, will they still have the ability to be so discriminating against these people? I doubt it.
'Key issues that will dominate' should also be praying about world poverty, wars, natural disasters etc. Not whether the person standing in front of you guiding you through your christian life is into the same sex/a woman.
I stand as a strong disbeliever of all religions (I have my reasons) but as regards to the topic at hand, the opposition the church place on gay people & women is kinda to be expected.
If you take a look through time the church has always disagreed with changes in society. So why would it be any different now?
Gay people technically shouldn't exist (looking at biology) but they do and there's no real reason to oppose them. I suppose the church believes that it is against the natural order of things and thus is a bad thing.
Women as bishops would really be a massive step for the church. Again looking at the past, women have always been oppressed. Speaking as a man, I've never really seen why. Its could be some sort of elitism or just the pure dominance of testosterone but there's no reason why women shouldn't be equals so why do so many societies oppress them? Luckily these days these traditional ideas are slowly being eroded away to much better and sensible ideas. Quite frankly its only a matter of time till the church catches up. There's going to be an overwhelming majority that disagree with their oppression eventually so there's no way that they can hold onto their unfair ways.
And in response to anonymous's last point, of course the church is going to discuss these things, without changes the church would slowly dissipate. Plus I'd actively go out supporting these things around the world rather than praying.
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I have strict anglican parents who constantly say, whenever gay people are on tv, that homosexual people are just confused. Just as confused as anyone who doesn't follow their views no doubt.
When my uncle announced he was gay they accepted it but we never saw him again. We were invited to his civil ceremony and it was decided that we shouldn't have anything to do with them until 'they realise their mistake'. Me and my brother actually wanted to go and had no problem with it.
I can't wait for the time when I tell then my best friend, who's a guy and my parents constantly try to persuade me to go out with because he's clever/charming/good looking, is openly gay and is in his second homosexual relationship.
Now, gay clergy. My personal view is that Jesus would prefer more love in the world than hatred through difference in people, regardless as the whether they are gay or not! If you want to get back the gradually decreasing congregations of the church of england, show that you respect people the way they are. If they come through the doors and sit down to listen maybe they will turn against homosexuality as a choice for themselves, but showing no acknowledgement of 21st century life is not going to do the church any favours. A person is unlikely to go for spiritual advice/worship if they will be looked down upon.
And not allowing women bishops? That's just sexism. End of.
With the declining number of people attending church, let alone wanting to become leaders of it, will they still have the ability to be so discriminating against these people? I doubt it.
'Key issues that will dominate' should also be praying about world poverty, wars, natural disasters etc. Not whether the person standing in front of you guiding you through your christian life is into the same sex/a woman.
I stand as a strong disbeliever of all religions (I have my reasons) but as regards to the topic at hand, the opposition the church place on gay people & women is kinda to be expected.
If you take a look through time the church has always disagreed with changes in society. So why would it be any different now?
Gay people technically shouldn't exist (looking at biology) but they do and there's no real reason to oppose them. I suppose the church believes that it is against the natural order of things and thus is a bad thing.
Women as bishops would really be a massive step for the church. Again looking at the past, women have always been oppressed. Speaking as a man, I've never really seen why. Its could be some sort of elitism or just the pure dominance of testosterone but there's no reason why women shouldn't be equals so why do so many societies oppress them?
Luckily these days these traditional ideas are slowly being eroded away to much better and sensible ideas.
Quite frankly its only a matter of time till the church catches up. There's going to be an overwhelming majority that disagree with their oppression eventually so there's no way that they can hold onto their unfair ways.
And in response to anonymous's last point, of course the church is going to discuss these things, without changes the church would slowly dissipate. Plus I'd actively go out supporting these things around the world rather than praying.
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